Meaghan Smith and Jason Mingo: Living the Dream (But Also Tired)

In this episode of A Chat with Heart, Christina reconnects with old friends Meaghan Smith and Jason Mingo for a candid, funny, and deeply human conversation about creativity, health, burnout, and living a beautifully unbalanced life. With questions pulled from a hat, embarrassing stories, and plenty of laughter, the trio explores friendship, artistic freedom, and the magic that happens when we tell the truth and show up for each other.

Chapters

• 0:00 Introduction to A Chat with Heart
• 3:20 Living an Unbalanced Life
• 13:41 The Journey of Creativity and Independence
• 14:01 Health Challenges and Their Impact
• 30:00 Playing Games and Lighthearted Moments
• 31:35 Exploring Personal Passions
• 34:28 Creative Aspirations and Artistic Freedom
• 37:30 Rediscovering Forgotten Talents
• 45:36 Humorous Embarrassments and Life Lessons
• 52:45 Creative Inspirations and Songwriting
• 1:01:29 Upcoming Projects and Exciting News

Transcript

Christina (00:00.206)
Hey, you're listening to A Chat with Heart. I'm your host, Christina Martin. I'm a singer-songwriter, curious human. I live on a dirt road in rural Nova Scotia with my partner in crime, Dale, and our Calico cat, Olivia. This podcast is basically just me chatting with people I admire. I like to ask questions that feed my curiosity and my guests have all taught me something. They either crack me up or they punch me right in the

If you've got questions, comments, or a burning desire to join the conversation, please call my heartbeat hotline, day or night. It's 1902-669-4769. You can also email me at christinamartinmusicatgmail.com. And if you want to throw a little love my way and help keep this thing going, visit my Patreon page. That's how artists like me get paid. Thanks for showing up. Warning, heartfelt content ahead.

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Christina (01:23.0)
Hi friends, welcome back to a Chat with Heart podcast. I am genuinely excited to share this episode with you. We recorded it yesterday. This is one of those conversations that left me feeling cracked open, lighter, and somehow way more energized, like all at the same time. And I think part of that

is that, well, these, my guests today are just phenomenal. But I was just so happy to have two old friends come by the house. you know, when you haven't spent time with somebody in a while and you kind of like, I mean, you know how awesome it is, but you kind of forgot how really awesome it is. Anyway, in this episode.

I am joined by two very special humans, two old friends. Like we go back to 2004 or five and those friends are Meaghan Smith and Jason Mingo. And before I get into what we talked about, I don't want to spoil it all. I want you to listen. But I do want to say a few things. Okay. These are two people with deeply fascinating journeys, life journeys.

They are thoughtful, funny, wildly talented, go back to funny, hilarious, and they're so deeply human. And I was reminded, and now I have this episode to remind me ongoing, they're the kind of people that I can laugh with, I can go deep with, and then laugh again five seconds later with. Let's talk about...

or unbalanced lives for a second. Early on in this conversation, Meaghan opens up about like living an unbalanced life. And I felt that immediately, that reminder immediately in my body, because like same, I've been there, honestly, most of my life, I feel was like trying to achieve like a kind of balance. You know, and I'd see

Christina (03:48.302)
kind of glimpses of it now and then and think, oh, I wish I could be, it could be like this all the time. And I think some of us are wired to go all in, all heart, all effort, all the time. And while that kind of living can lead to really beautiful things as it has for not only myself, but I think our guests today, it can also lead to burnout and health scares. And those moments where your body,

gently or not so gently taps you on the shoulder and says, hey, you know, I'm going to stop this for you. Meaghan speaks so honestly about that as does Jason and you know, made me realize just how many self-employed folks and I can speak to artists because I've been there. I know are working nonstop pushing

pushing themselves to the limit and until the only thing that actually stops you is illness. that's landed hard for me. And so yeah, it feels like a very important thing to talk about. And I think sometimes it really does feel like I have no other choice. I got to keep going. And maybe that is the way it has to be for a while. I don't know.

I don't know, but if it is, just know that at some point there should be, I think, a point where you make the decision for your own health and wellness to make a change. And it can be a gradual change. It could be something like a cold turkey change. We definitely don't want anyone to not have security, financial security, but to talk to

friends, professionals even, that can help you make a transition. And that's going to look different for everybody. I know that. So don't, you know, when you're listening to this, don't run out and just quit your day job or stop what you're doing immediately maybe. But it's, think the first step is thinking about it and talking to people. And certainly this is, there's some easy things to make changes. There are some hard

Christina (06:10.486)
things that you might want, you know, that might need to do. But I'm certainly open to the conversation with anybody outside the podcast if you need that. my gosh, I also have a chat with our podcast hotline. The numbers in the intro and the outro, if you want to call and reach out for some support in that department or just share a story of your own, how you transitioned from

unbalanced life to maybe a little more balanced or balanced. Open to all good and not so good results. We want it all. Yeah, so this episode's a little different because, which is part of the fun, I showed up with actual cue cards like old school pencil and paper. No notes, no outline pretending.

to be prepared for a conversation. I just wrote a bunch of questions down, threw them in a literally in a hat. And the three of us took turns pulling the questions out of a hat. And there was no overthinking or anything. Just answering in the moment, honestly, and hanging out with two old friends. And wow, things like surface in the best way. We did not plan to talk about any of this.

things that probably wouldn't have come up if I had tried to control the flow of the conversation. And there is something about, I think, letting go. I yeah, I prepared by having a few questions and a half, but something about just kind of being in a chill environment and feeling comfortable that invites the truth. And you can hear that happening in this episode. Well, let me give you just a little taste. If you're interested in topics like

shingles, burnout and health wake up calls, making dreams come true, living the dream. Sometimes we don't even realize we're living the dream. You know, we need those reminders. I think this is a good episode for that too. I remember thinking, wow, we are just living the dream. You know, it's not always easy. And if you like laughing, if you like good impressions, I think you're absolutely in the right place.

Christina (08:36.704)
So before we dive in, me just brag for my two friends for a minute. And this is just going to scratch the surface about them both, because some of you are overseas listening. You may not be familiar with them, but you now will be and you can go to their websites. Jason Mingo and Meaghan Smith have their own separate websites for their work. Just Google them. They will come up.

because they are celebrities, world famous, I think. Meaghan Smith, let's start with Meaghan. Meaghan Smith is a Juno Award. I'm already, how dare I, how dare I screw this up for my wonderful friend. Meaghan Smith is a Juno Award winning singer, songwriter and musician known for her soulful voice and her ability to blend vintage pop with modern storytelling in a way that feels both timeless and deeply personal.

Can you tell I pulled this from her website? She's released multiple records spanning orchestral pop, swing and beloved holiday music. She's toured and shared stages with artists like Sarah McLaughlin, Katie Lang and David Gray and even starred as Louisa in the Fantastix. But beyond the accolades, what I admire most about Meaghan is this. She chooses curiosity over comfort.

Maybe, I don't know if you agree with me, Meaghan, but that's what I think. Truth over polish. Not that she has some really polished, beautiful work, like within the work is, I like polished work by the way, is there is that truth and honesty and very, you know, heartfelt, emotional content. And, yeah, and herself again and again showing up.

again and again on her socials and her art. She speaks very honestly too about her success and her health and creativity and speaks about the real cost of doing what you love, which I love. And she does it with humor and tenderness and I think clarity and zero bullshit. And yes, she has a holiday show coming up December 19th and 20th in HRM in Halifax.

Christina (10:58.056)
You can grab tickets at meagansmith.com. Truly, if you're anywhere nearby, go. Okay. Jason Mingo is a record producer, composer, multi-instrumentalist and collaborator with many whose work spans writing, producing, engineering and performing. Jason began his guitar player as a guitar player.

See, I don't want to mess this up for Jason. How dare I? I'm also pulling this from his website. He began as a guitar player, but then he expanded into drum programming, synths, production, honing his craft through collaborations with world-class producers in Los Angeles and London. He has co-written and produced music for artists, including Meaghan Smith, Rhea May, with work featured across major label and independent releases, film and television,

I mean, there are, if you go to his website, there are dozens and dozens of song placement credits and commercial work he's done. He's toured extensively across Canada, the US and the UK, sharing stages with artists like Sarah McLachlan, Katie Lang and Ron Sexsmith. And he is a very thoughtful, grounded, curious and honestly frigging hilarious human.

He understands both the magic of making things and the realities of living a full life outside of the industry. He also, I think, is a good deep listener. He speaks very intentionally and he brings a sense of calm that doesn't dim the spark of a conversation. It just kind of sharpens it, you know? This episode is so special to me. It's not just the talent that...

showed up to our house. It's like the lived experience and the fact that like this is a chat with two dear friends I hope to see laugh and cry with many much more in our lifetime. We have time, I'd say at least 50 years. These are people who have followed creativity and they've asked hard questions. They have made things, they have broken things, they are healing, they have healed things.

Christina (13:16.834)
They were deep inside the music industry and in my opinion they've cracked the secret to moving beyond it to more independence, know, like, or alongside it. There's no neat moral wrapped up with a bow here, just three humans sitting together and we're pulling questions out of a hat and then we're trusting whatever needs to be said.

I think that's where the real magic lives folks. So settle in go for a walk sit in your car a little longer than you planned This is a chat with heart with Meaghan Smith and Jason Mingo

Christina (13:58.382)
We were just talking about supplements. Are you on any supplements?

I sure am but I don't I just like HRT hormone replacement therapy. Oh really? Oh, yeah. Cool. I've been I've been on it since early 40s. Is that awesome? No, it's no. It is helping. Okay. But the fact that I have to take it is not awesome. yeah, I do that and I do like, you know, multivitamins and then I don't know knock on wood, but I think. That's not wood?

For sure. HRT.

Christina (14:15.564)
Like it's not healthy.

Christina (14:27.566)
It's probably fake. Yeah, there you go.

This might be the first year that we're not going to get sick via our kids. other year? are so sick this time of year. I don't know, I've had pneumonia twice. I've gotten the shingles. We always have the cold or the flu. I think it's just from kids.

Jason's saying he has not been sick, but you...

And he, when our family gets sick, Jason gets sick for like maybe a couple hours. The kids are sick for like a day or two. I'm sick for like two months.

Is that because of the, what's it called that you're on?

Jason (15:08.212)
and acetylcysteine. NAC. Maybe. I do weird things too, like I'll drink olive oil straight or I'll do apple cider vinegar.

Yeah, probably.

Yeah. NAC. Yeah, maybe.

Christina (15:20.814)
You and Dale should be on the podcast with us because that's what he does every morning. And I will dabble in those two particular things that you mentioned. And then I just get distracted and I quit.

I do too after like three days. I'm like, this isn't working.

It's like, yeah, I don't feel anything. That's right. I just think there's a lot of things to do in the morning. Like if you see my supplements, it's not like 20, but it's like, you know, eight. And once I dish those out, I'm tired. I don't want to dish anything else out and I got to move on to something else. So these are all time consuming things that Dale likes to take his time ingesting in the morning. And I'm like, I gotta go, you do something on the computer.

You got stuck. Yeah.

thing. But, the fact that you are getting things like shingles and had, was it pneumonia?

Meaghan (16:15.712)
Yeah, I had pneumonia twice. I had to cancel a big show a few years ago. It was really, really terrible. But yeah, I am beginning to think that perhaps I'm not living in the most balanced way. I know that I'm not.

substance user? abuser? no

No. What do mean?

Well, when you say enough, life balance, you're not like a, you're not smoking cigarettes. no, Never smoke.

I've never, no. That's not true. I have smoked a cigarette, not a full cigarette. I've tried smoking, but I have never ever not once had a sip of alcohol, nor have ever had a cigarette of Coca-Cola or Pepsi.

Christina (16:55.038)
I had you're not missing. Good for you. I can't drink those either. Okay. Yeah. Not a pop.

I kind of missed it. Like it was, you know, nobody's drinking anymore, really. So it's fine. But yeah, no, I am not living a balanced life and it's, it's, um, it's not sustainable. like Jason and I have been really busy and it's difficult because we truly enjoy, like most of what we do, we really enjoy, but I'm just finding I can't do it all at once.

It's true.

Christina (17:27.72)
yeah. It should be one thing at a time. I don't know if you knew that. We're here to fix all of your... On the chat with podcast. Welcome by the way to a chat with her podcast. Both you, Jason and Meaghan. So I'm curious what we're gonna... How are we gonna change this? Let's just spend a couple minutes here. What are we gonna change? And then we could check in next year. Are you gonna drop some things? Yeah. Like are you guys on boards of things?

Know that, Christina!

Meaghan (17:51.48)
to change.

quitting a bunch of things. I don't know, just like jobs. I have like 15 jobs right now and I just, I'm going to quit some of them. And what about you Jace? I'm just letting go of things. Like I'm letting go of people and things and activities that I just, if I feel like I'm hanging on, I'm letting it go. And if it stays, then that's great. And if it doesn't, I got to just let it go. Yeah.

What are you gonna quit?

Jason (18:22.126)
I don't do as many things as Meaghan, so I don't have as many things to let go of. That's true.

He basically just runs along after me and cleans up all the mess. So you'll probably have less to do when I'm not making so many mistakes and making so much work for you.

Yeah, okay.

Jason (18:42.796)
I wouldn't put it exactly like that.

Tony's just really nice.

He is really nice, but I'm sure he's, it's one of those things where you, kind of, when one person is, well, perhaps struggling or overworking, the other person's picking up the slack. That is a good sign, a sign of a good partner. But of course, if you are burning out, have to, you have to put your foot down and say, I can't do this. I'm only at 30%.

What about you? Are you balanced?

I feel balanced right now. Yeah. But not without, like I started an SSRI, I think almost two years ago now. And I think it has helped me make the tough decisions to let things go. But I recognize now that I maybe had a little bit, some, definitely some OCD tendencies. And especially when it came to work, or, you know, kind of this, was chasing some things.

Meaghan (19:38.274)
Yeah.

Meaghan (19:42.67)
Yeah, for sure. Well, you're a super high achiever.

Well, that's really kind of you to say, because I actually don't do very much anymore.

That's why I need to learn from you.

Anytime you want to talk about not achieving anything and doing far less, but I find like I work, I, I really do try to listen to my body and I'll, I'll work, I'll get inspired in a, I'll work in spurts, but I'm, I really worked hard for many years to whittle things down. so that I could focus on one thing at a time that was really important to me. so that's, and I say no to.

Not that I get a lot of asks, but I just kind of, I do say no to things a lot quicker. Even if there's like, I found there was a long time I was afraid to say no for either like, this will be good for my career, quote unquote, or I just couldn't afford when I was only doing music. If I said no to something, I just couldn't afford to say no, I needed the money. so, you know, I made adjustments in my life that I was like, okay,

Meaghan (20:45.016)
So.

Christina (20:49.41)
Here's some rules, this is how much I need to make. We have our security systems in place, we've been working on that, like savings and things like that. If something bad happens, we're gonna be okay. When all that's taken care of and your will and all that is in order.

No, you're not joking though. No, I'm not joking. two self-employed people, you guys and us as well, we have kids so that throws a whole wrench in the mix. I feel like when it was just us, we could just not turn on the heat, say for like a month. We don't have that option anymore, but it's the same. When both of you are living this kind of precarious lifestyle of like, we have no idea how much we'll make next year.

You have to. You have to live like that, right?

Yeah. And so for now, and this, realized this could change, right? I could, have a part-time job that allows me the flexibility to stay home and the mental stability, peace of mind. And I'm going to pay my bills and, still have my music and there's revenue from that as well, which is also peace of mind and, know, financial freedom to some extent. so yeah, but you know what the, did, so cutting things down,

time-wise work-wise as I was a workaholic. I did make, I intentionally made more time for, my friendships and my family and my life has been enriched, by that. No doubt. Like I spend way more time with my girlfriends, on the phone, like having just cold calling people. Remember that? You just call someone and be like, are up to? Like in my PJs, like hair's a mess.

Meaghan (22:35.95)
I do that with my sisters. I talk to my sisters like that like every day pretty much. But yeah, I would love to do that more with friends. just what you're describing is like what I'm...

I need to, I needing to work towards because I never listened to my body. tell my body on the regular, I'm like, you just be quiet. We have to do this. We have to get this done. And then my body's like, why are you so mean to me all the time? And I'm like, I'm so sorry. I know, I know I have to change this. now it's like, you know, years and years later and my body's like, I've been telling you to stop and stop and stop. And so when I get all these like illnesses, all the, know, like we, Jason and I have both had shingles in our

fun.

Late 30s to early 40s and like just illnesses and it's just I feel like it's my body being like you have got to slow down and change things.

Can I ask about shingles? Like, what was that like for each of you? I know Dale had it once, but was it like wild?

Jason (23:32.352)
I'll tell you all about mine

I want to hear all about it. We had a chat with Hart. Like we love listening to ailments and how you overcame that ailment. Do we have some pictures we could put up on Instagram?

Mine wasn't that bad, really. Some people get it really bad. Like I watch a lot of health videos and I just saw one today where somebody had it on their face and it looked horrible. Anyways, here's my brief story about shingles and why I think I got it. So I was just playing basketball one day.

And then I was like, oh man, I'm really sore. Like maybe it was from basketball the night before that I was playing. And then I woke up the next day and I'm sore again. Like my back is kind of sore. Nothing crazy. And then all of a I started getting a rash on my chest and on my back, the same side on both.

And so I'm doing some research and I'm like, I think it's shingles. And I was pretty young at the time. was, so I would have been 35, I think, which that's really young for shingles. And it was, I've done this kind of thought analysis like recently that it was in September of,

Jason (25:10.286)
2014 and I know all these dates because we had just had our first kid in August of 2014 and Meaghan, don't think she'll mind me saying this, was in pretty rough shape after that pregnancy and she was on a walker and everything. And I...

Do you mind him saying that?

It's the truth. Really terrible.

I it's I think she's said it publicly. anyways.

I had like, it was a, I had hyperemesis, which is constant nausea and vomiting during pregnancy for nine months. It was like I had the flu and Jason had to take care of me while we were trying to work. And then I had a really, really traumatic delivery where I had fourth degree tears and had to have like over a hundred stitches and things were broke. My hips were broken. And so

Meaghan (26:04.726)
We were supposed to go on tour and then we couldn't go on tour so our label dropped us and our manager dropped us and like so we had no job and no career and now we have this new baby and then Jason. I wonder why.

Snow biggie, I don't know what-

Yeah,

no, I'll be good. Like what?

But I felt like I couldn't say anything. And because I'm like, well, man shingles compared to all that. was just like, well.

Meaghan (26:37.088)
And Jason, you were holding down the fort like you were man. You were trying to help manage me and you're a new dad. And might I add, there are no supports for new dads. There's a there are supports for new moms, but not as if there are any there. didn't know that I didn't ever hear of any supports for new fathers.

Yeah.

Jason (26:57.718)
Yeah, I don't know of any either. and I'm trying to work, trying to make any money, because we don't have any money coming in. And then I'm trying to look after a baby and look after Meaghan as best as I know how. And so I felt like I can't complain about anything because she is dealing with like a hundred times more than me. And back then I didn't have the relationships.

that I do now where I felt like I could talk to anybody about it. It's not like I get together with the guys over football and beers and like be like, Hey, so I just have this kid and I don't know what I'm doing. And how about, how about this? My, my wife is in a walker right now.

Yeah.

Christina (27:42.736)
huh.

Christina (27:51.488)
No, no, no.

No, because I don't watch football, I don't drink beer and...

Did you have those like friends though at that time? No.

Well, I don't, not really. Like back then I just had friends that I would talk up to about music and about like gear and stuff. And that was basically as far as it went.

So you think that was your body basically.

Jason (28:17.292)
Yeah, I was bottling up every f***ing and I was stressed out.

And it's so funny when we went to our doctor, I called to make an appointment for the doctor. was like, I think my husband has shingles. And she's like, he doesn't have shingles. He's only 35. Why would he have shingles? And then I remember us going to the doctor and her being like, yes, this is shingles. And then you be her saying, are you guys under any stress? And Jason, you being like, well, not, I don't feel stressed. And I was just like, yes, we are stressed.

Yes. Yes, absolutely.

I think that's Jason being like, no, no, I'm not feeling this. not stressed. I think a lot of men have to do that. And women too, we just ignore ourselves all the time. And I don't want to ignore myself. So yeah.

Please stop. You too. This is great. You're talking about it. Look how far you've You're talking about it now on a chat with our podcast. I think things are changing. I do know a lot more men who are more vocal about this kind of thing, but just so you know, Dale also had shingles and he was probably around 35, Dale? 36. And it was during a time when, it's very stressful for Dale to spend money. I remember a story your mother tells about

Christina (29:30.634)
having to spend your own money on like a popsicle or something. I'm just, don't know if that's the story, but you were like, that story when he was six years old, he bottled it up to spend his own money on popsicles. No, I don't, I'm not even going to tell this story. I'll have have tell his mom on here to tell the story. He doesn't like to spend money. And we were buying this house that we're in right now and, and moving. I think that was, that was quite stressful for you. And that's what we, we blame.

That's what gave him shingles.

Christina (30:00.173)
the

Yeah, stressful. it's a huge change. A huge risk. Like, yeah, I can see how that would be really, really stressful. So yeah, my New Year's resolution is to quit more stuff. Listen to my body at all. Yeah, I love really need to.

Yeah. So it's great. you got.

Christina (30:18.228)
And what about playing more games or like picking questions out of a hat? Yeah. That's actually I've prepared for us today. I literally wrote these all today on some little cards. So we're each going to have this hat that Olivia likes to eat. She's gone. she's in Dale's office. All right. That's my cat. Jason, why don't you go first? So you take the hat, take the hat. Yep. And we'll all answer it or, or not. You can even pass if you want to pass.

I wanna play games.

Meaghan (30:36.738)
Just hanging out over there.

Jason (30:47.566)
Okay, no, I'm not gonna pass any of them. Okay. What would you make if money were no issue?

Ciao!

Christina (30:58.978)
What would we make?

maybe coffee? yeah. lattes and music.

It's so

Christina (31:11.798)
Yeah, I think. OK, wink wink. OK, yeah, we're shadowing.

Maybe a podcast.

Jason (31:19.336)
huh. Like, do you want to make these lattes, open up a cafe kind of thing?

Pretty much what you're doing now. That's like your life now, pretty much.

Jason (31:31.694)
don't know, it might lose its joy then if I did that maybe.

Did you want to this for you? Because you can't, you're already doing that. Yeah, I am already doing that. No wrong answers. Actually, that's a good sign. What I'm hearing is that you actually are not so far out from where you want to be, which is awesome.

I do like making lattes for people, like visitors and stuff.

Yeah, I'm coming over, I've already said that.

I don't know. I'll think some more on it. Music. I do music because I do love music.

Meaghan (32:02.402)
Yeah. Making music is fun.

It really is fun. We are lucky to have that ability. Do any of us read music?

No. Jason? He's a chart.

You were a chart.

would take me forever to read a piece.

Christina (32:17.763)
Okay.

But you can read charts. And you know, it's like sixth and fourth. Do you know those things?

Yeah.

Christina (32:24.932)
not really, but I used to excel in theory when I was really young, like eight, nine, 10. I don't understand it now or care about it. Isn't that horrible? No, I should. I've tried, you guys, I have taken so many lessons and tried to self teach myself. then I like,

Concentrate like what is it? Why can't I interest? I do have ADD Which is a misnomer because you because you have a lot of attention for certain things that are interesting and zero attention for things that are boring

was interesting.

I don't think-

Christina (32:56.462)
don't know if I do because I don't really, I don't know if I have any of the symptoms, but it is in my family. I do know that for a fact, although no one's been diagnosed. I shouldn't say for a fact. You should never say that if you actually don't have any proof. This is an assumption. I just, I don't know. I guess I'm, just not, I have a hard time caring.

about lessons and what people want me to do in order to excel in things. And I am more of a follow your gut feel. It's not that I'm not curious about something. I do want to learn more about certain things, but I haven't put much thought into it. Just, don't like taking lessons anymore.

Hmm.

But what would you make?

I would make music and like I'd make like a dance record. I'd make like a disco record or I would just all kinds of different albums, like different genres. And I'd also make really big shows that maybe no one would buy tickets to, but like I'd still make the shows and make them free for everybody so they would come. And then everybody would be like, this is great. And everyone would be paid really well. And we would just...

Christina (34:03.426)
Like every day we would go, like I used to, did you ever see the movie, what's love got to do with it? It's a Tina Turner story. Well, in that movie, she, goes to rehearsals every day and everybody gets paid. And I thought, well, that's what I want to go and work on these shows every day and then do these big shows. But I don't like touring enough anymore to tour stuff. So I would just want to have like a residency. Yeah. What about you?

Right, yeah.

Meaghan (34:28.866)
You're describing my holiday show. this is great.

Let's talk about the holiday show, because we talked about getting this out like in two days. Is that happening? next weekend.

Yeah.

Yeah, no, it's yeah, it's a week from today. No, yeah, that's exactly what I was like. I don't want to tour. can't tour. I don't have the energy. I just want to play one show maybe every year, every two years. And I just want to make it as fun as I possibly can. And I want to pay everybody. Yeah, that's what I did.

Yeah, so tell me.

Christina (34:55.807)
Amazing. Check.

this is what I would do if my, this is what I would make if money was not an issue. I pretty much do everything I'm doing, which is music and art and painting and books and a bunch of other things. But I would also make the wildest most incredible tree house you could imagine. Like it would have pulleys and ropes and windows and it'd be fully insulated. You could like live in there if you wanted to with a huge slide going down to the bottom for like fast escapes.

Okay.

Meaghan (35:27.15)
Um, and there would be definitely be a fridge and like, uh, like electricity up there. Yeah. Yeah. And, know, friends who want to stay at entry house. That's what I would make. And, oh man, I've always had this fantasy of like, if I drive by, I don't know what I'd be making with this, but if I ever drive, drove by an accident, I would just get out and I would give those people a thousand bucks. And I would just be like, I know this is terrible right now.

for you.

Meaghan (35:56.738)
You're okay. Everybody's okay. Here's a thousand bucks. Get your car fixed. It's going to be fine. Yeah. Yeah.

You're gonna need more money, but that's of you. That's nice of you. That would help. Like deductibles are usually a thousand. So that helps. If they even have insurance. I love that. Imagine if they don't.

No.

Meaghan (36:12.526)
You

Meaghan (36:16.33)
I just feel I feel for people when I drive by accidents. I just like I've been there. I know how that feels I've been in I've been in one accident. Where is my fault? Yeah, that's scary It wasn't actually that scary. I just I just like rear-ended a cab driver like I just bumped into there was no damage or anything Okay. Yeah, he was really mad until I started crying and then he was really nice to me. So okay, it worked out

Alright, next question. Okay. is good.

This is good? Okay. I like these questions. Okay. What do we got here? I'm digging deep.

Something you forgot you were good at. That's a really good question. What's something you forgot you were good at? Do you mean like when you were a kid or something?

could be, yeah, something you used to do that you're really good at that you've just like go or. I used to horseback ride. used to love horseback riding, dressage. I loved dressage. Didn't really love show. Yeah, I loved working around horses and taking care of them and loved riding them.

Meaghan (37:19.15)
Thank you.

Meaghan (37:26.35)
That's so cool. Huh? What about you, Mingo?

What'd do when you were a little kid? Like was there something you obsessed over?

Guitars.

Are you always?

I a teenager kind of when I, when I was a little kid, like I don't know if I forgot about this, but it kind of took a long time where I just didn't do it. Like I love impressions. I used to do it as a kid all the time, but then I never did like when I was in like high school or college, like I used to do wrestlers like when I was like a kid.

Christina (37:52.822)
I used to live and doing impressive

Christina (38:05.71)
Huh.

And now I like doing I think the first time I I got back into impressions was when we were on Warner Music and I used to always like do impressions of Warner artists around the Warner staff

Really? Like-

But it's like, it's like how they would sound if they talked the way they sang.

Like like a Warner guys named Dave and I I'd always Talk like like Billy Talent how I thought Billy Talent should talk based on his singing voice I don't know if this is making any

Christina (38:45.285)
Did they get it? Did they catch on?

Yeah, yeah, they got it and they thought it was, I think they thought it was funnier. They were just amusing me. You're not a Billy Talon fan. You have no idea what I'm going to do right now. But like, it's just like, Hi, Dave, how are you doing?

You were just funny. It was funny.

Christina (39:03.086)
Yeah, see I would know that's hilarious

I probably clipped the preamber. Dale?

That is hilarious, but I don't know who Billy Downey

That's

Meaghan (39:13.303)
you

Christina (39:19.01)
did do?

Who else?

Like Ron sex myth. Okay. Ron if you're listening I do Dave Gunning.

No.

Dave Gunning, dude!

Meaghan (39:27.246)
He'll like do Dave Gunning but like you know how Dave is so nice. perfect. okay. Anyway, so

He's coming on the podcast in January. It's gonna be great.

About time there, Christina.

my god Dave! So good! I'm surprised you're here!

might gain some followers.

Christina (39:43.788)
I think I hear my goodness this is freak. So I hear you've done a book and and Meaghan illustrated it Dave.

Yeah, I was on her all the time. She had to get it. Like, was like, Meagan, get those paintings done now. Like, this is something he would never say in a million years because he's so...

God, but he'll I'll get him to say it on the podcast. I'll get him to listen to this.

Then we've called it like left messages for him.

I'm good friends with his brother-in-law.

Meaghan (40:14.614)
We left you a message as Dave, didn't we? I thought that was Dave!

Leave!

on my own Instagram. That was, you weren't actually with Dave Gunning?

No, you really thought that was for real? Yes, because you had a book with him.

and I was like, oh, she's over at Dave's hanging out. I completely, 1000 % thought.

Jason (40:38.086)
I'll throw in things like like where I think people are gonna know I'll be like hey Davy G here like something he would never say or hey this is little Dave

I mean it sounds like something he would say. It sounds like I feel like he would say he's a goofball too. Oh my god that's some talent.

Is that a nice voice?

Jason (40:59.074)
For it's a form of flattery if I am doing my take on his voice because I think he's fantastic. And I've worked on Trump too. I've worked on that impersonation.

Huge Dave Gunning fans that are

Meaghan (41:14.67)
It's good though. At a recent show, well in the summer, we played a little tiny show and Jason did an impersonation of Trump saying things people wished he would say. I'm sorry. Immigrants are wonderful. Everyone's invited to live in this, you know, tariffs are terrible.

like I love you or.

Christina (41:37.42)
You gotta do some Trump impersonate like saying, I'm sorry that I, and I'll do better.

I'm sorry, I'm such an asshole.

I'm sorry about that clipping on the pre-amp-a-dave. I know your name. It's Dale. Beautiful guy. Beautiful guy. Christina. What a podcast. Beautiful Canada. Landscape out the window. Love it. You should be. Think of all the viewers. I had no There's no viewers.

I will-

I should be paying you for this.

Meaghan (42:06.52)
You should-

Meaghan (42:11.853)
I Saturday Night Live

Wow a lot of listeners coming

Not a lot, Trump, you think...

The grossest thing is when he does kill a kid on me and trumps

Christina (42:28.118)
Yeah, that is gross.

Meaghan (42:34.286)
I'm

Bye.

gosh, is this what you do with your kids?

It's

to get into something a little more comfortable. Huh, Dale?

Meaghan (42:48.814)
my goodness.

This is definitely going to get more listeners. I am so impressed that I really want to encourage this. this is, have you ever thought about doing the groundlings?

I'm like...

Maybe this is something I should make if I know money or noish.

Yeah, yeah, totally. mean, like I used to do impersonations like when I was a kid, like Ed Grimley or like all the Saturday Night Live characters, but I don't remember any. can't, I couldn't pull them up right now.

Jason (43:18.654)
Money isn't an issue. I'm a good businessman. Everybody thinks so. Everybody tells me.

I think I'm going to clip that and put it on Instagram and say I had Trump on the page.

You gotta say, like, a chat with her is the best podcast. Yeah. Amanda's podcast. Like, that's gotta be it.

Chat no

don't make mistakes. That wasn't a mistake. I meant to do that. Chat with heart. I have a big heart. They say, wow, what a heart, the biggest heart, the best heart you've ever seen. And this is a podcast. What a podcast. Is that a good advertisement? It is, is the best.

Christina (44:04.856)
I think I'll take it.

my god. Okay. What about you Meaghan? you this? Yeah, let's hear it. Trump everybody. Olivia? No. something I forgot I was good at? I'm gonna say either maybe like dancing or telling stories. wow. I used to share, think telling stories maybe.

Jason, thank you Trump. Yeah, everybody clap. Let's add some. She doesn't care. She's like, who?

Meaghan (44:32.78)
Dancing is like, that's going back to when I was like five and I had no concern about anything and I just like moved around. And I remember we had this, I went to this dance class and we danced to Michael Jackson's Thriller and it was just like the best song and I freaking loved Michael Jackson and I was just so into it. But then I also...

Okay, Michael's here with us now. I don't know if I want Michael in the podcast, but we've already had Trump, so I guess we'll make room.

This is you.

Meaghan (45:01.742)
But then I also used to share a room with my sisters and we would just tell each other stories to fall asleep. I, I don't know, I forgot. was, I was good at that. It was fun.

I haven't forgotten that you're good at story-

Jason (45:20.776)
You tell stories in like your songs all the time.

Yeah, you still, yeah, you're putting that early practice in your story. Something you can laugh about now that once felt mortifying.

Mm-hmm. Ooh. I have so many.

Something we can laugh.

Christina (45:43.244)
Like this. Yeah, Meaghan.

can go first, Meaghan.

Okay. You will you guys okay.

It was a spooky Halloween. Oh my god. don't know. don't know if I want to.

Okay, so something I can laugh about now, but at the time was was like horrendous. I don't know where this show was happening, but we were playing a show and this it was a smaller venue and they were so excited to have us and it was like such a thrill to just be there and they had decorated the stage really beautifully and we did a lot of touring at Christmas because we have all these like Christmas albums and Christmas music and so there was like, you know,

Meaghan (46:18.954)
live greenery and a tree and then they had lit all these candles around my mic and it was just like gorgeous. I was wearing this very poofy dress with a big crinoline under it and I needed to like when you're wearing a big poofy dress that's not long you can't like just bend down at the waist you have to like kind of do a little squat and like mess with your pedal or whatever right? Your guitar pedal on the floor.

So this is what I did. I did a little squat down and then I stood up and I noticed that there was like a huge plume of smoke sort of emanating from my behind. And I realized that when I had squatted down, I had extinguished a bunch of the candles.

my god. That's dangerous. But you put them out. didn't like it.

No, nothing caught on fire, thank God. But I stood up and I was like, there's smoke all around me. And then I started feeling all this hot wax dripping down the back of my legs because I had candle wax all over me. Anyway, it was really horrifying. And people were like, what's she gonna do? Because there's no hiding what had just happened. And I just kept going. I think I said something like, well, nobody can say that my ass isn't hot or something like that. then I just like, I just kept going with the show.

Good one. At the time it was really mortifying. Yeah. But now it's okay.

Christina (47:37.984)
It's a great, that is a great story. I was enthralled. I was with you. I thought it was going to be something like you got up and then your, your dress poof, like had stuck to something in the back of your head and then your ass was showing, you know, that's awesome. Jason, are you, have you thought about it?

Um, this was around Christmas and no, sorry. Halloween. Okay. Um, I woke up at 4 30 yesterday, so my brain's a little foggy anyways. Uh, was just a normal day, doing some work. I had some lunch. I had some leftover chili.

I love how this is starting.

What did you have for lunch?

Jason (48:21.262)
Um, day continues on. Okay. Um, we go, we were invited to, uh, uh, somebody's house for supper and to watch some Halloween movies. Like a Halloween party. And there was a couple other couples. We didn't really know them very well. Okay. Uh, we go over, Oh, what are they having for supper? Oh, chili. Oh, a double dose of chili that day. Great.

Halloween party there's couple

Christina (48:46.825)
It was great. It was good. I had some, I enjoyed it. And then we watch a movie. The movie was Ghostbusters. They turn off all the lights, which is not a good recipe for me because I fall asleep. So here I am. It's dark and Ghostbusters is going on. I'm like falling asleep. And then...

Why?

Okay.

Jason (49:19.936)
The next thing you know, I wake up to the sound of my own first.

Meaghan (49:27.534)
Everybody was just silently watching. Did you laugh? I totally laughed and no one else did.

I

I'm embarrassed.

Jason (49:42.542)
And then I said, at least nobody can say my ass isn't hot.

Jason (49:50.56)
No, I said nothing. did not acknowledge it.

I burst out laughing and no one was laughing so I immediately stopped laughing. What? And then we were like, what are we gonna do? Yeah.

And I was mortified at the time. was super embarrassed. guess I can laugh at it now though.

That's good story.

I don't, I mean, I have, I remember an embarrassing story, but I don't think it's that funny. Dale, do you, do you know any of any embarrassing stories? Yeah. I know I've embarrassed myself, but I mean, there's, is so dumb. I'm going to explain this, but I don't expect anybody to get it. Okay. I'm also trying to remember it too. So, okay. So I, I have very bad vision and.

Meaghan (50:42.68)
to work on.

I do work. I'm wearing them right now. Yes. and we were, we had moved into Wallace Bay at Dale and I had a, we had a little, in-law suite. were renting and we were very close friends with the, woman, Catherine, who owned the house. And so one morning I came outside to put the trash out. I wasn't wearing my glasses or my contact lenses, so I couldn't see anything, but I, I saw Catherine outside.

And she was standing probably like a yard. How long is a yard? A yard away. Okay. A thousand meters. I don't know. Okay. Let's say. And she looked at me and she said, good morning. And I'm like, Hey morning. She's like, do you like my boat? And I thought she was talking about her vehicle. Like it was a big. Yeah. And I was like, it's so, yeah, it's really great. Like when did you get it? And she's like,

like it's a big SUV.

Christina (51:44.226)
I just got it. And I'm like, yeah, it's, going to be awesome to drive. Like it must be really nice. And I'm having this conversation with her about her vehicle. I thought, and then later on I went outside and I looked over to where she was standing and had my contacts in at this point. And sure enough, there was an actual rowboat that she had been standing in or next to on the grass. And she was actually talking about her

But you just couldn't see it.

I couldn't see it. For some reason, I thought that was the most embarrassing thing and funny to me. And I couldn't wait to find her and tell her how embarrassed I was. And I kept thinking like, you know, you obsess over it. You're like replaying. What did I say about her boat or her vehicle that like, she must've thought I was a complete idiot. Anyway, that's it.

Okay, one more question

question.

Meaghan (52:46.316)
can stay. really do.

sometime. Drop the kids and just come stay here.

Weirdest song you've gotten a song idea. Weirdest p- jeez, I mentioned the 430. That's okay. Weirdest place you've gotten a song idea.

Wait.

Weirdest what?

Christina (53:03.298)
I mean, I have weird stories that I've gotten from experiences and like, like I think of the puppet museum and the story about in Amsterdam. I had, I, we had done quite a bit of touring in, the Netherlands for some, because we had gotten this, agent who we no longer have unfortunately, but, and so we got to see so much of the Netherlands and loved it. And there were just a lot of like, you know, there's so much.

European history and everywhere you go and people are telling you about the history of the venue or like what the town used to be like or what it was like during the war before and after. you're like trying to, you know, absorb all this information that, you know, growing up in Canada, not that we don't have our own history, but it's just like, wow, this is, this is the time I read about a history class anyway. And, uh,

But we were in Amsterdam playing our first show. I've told the story at many of our shows about this song, The Puppet Museum. And I'm sitting at the bar at this venue called the Bulldog Hotel. And the manager, I'm chatting with him after the show, which nobody was listening. There was so much smoke, marijuana smoke in the room. were televisions on.

all over the bar, people were watching soccer. Like they did not care that we were there, but we were so excited because we had a gig in Amsterdam. This was like in 2011. And anyway, after the show, I was just chatting, getting to know this manager and asking him what it was like raising a family and in the red light district basically. And, and at one point I said, is this your dream working here at the Bulldog hotel? And he said, no, I have 5,000 puppets or dolls. don't remember at home in my closet and I'd like to open a museum.

I think that's what he said. don't, memory is reconstructive, like when I got home from a tour, I just, remember I was sitting up in this little room upstairs above us here and I just started writing the song, the puppet museum with my electric guitar and, sort of going through all the stories of like that I'd heard in the Netherlands and kind of romanticizing this place.

Meaghan (55:13.867)
That's interesting. Yeah, that's so weird. What about you?

I don't know, I'm mostly just producing songs or when I think about songs, I'm like in the moment of doing a song at a desk. you know, I might come up with an idea in the bathroom.

sitting at home.

Christina (55:34.856)
Bathroom, yeah, it's a good place to think about. Have you ever,

because you guys have been to some places, some places and had some interesting experiences. I remember I read the book that you wrote and there's some, definitely some highs and lows and highs and scary moments and stuff in there. Do you pull from like those experiences sometimes when you're songwriting or do you think, nope, those are just part of my life, but like, is that, you, yeah, do you ever go to like your...

Yeah.

Christina (56:05.462)
memories and go and try to pull stuff for a moment or an idea from that and roll with it.

Do you? We work like this. It's more like I kind of bring the ideas to Jason and then he makes something to fit my idea. Or you come up with your own thing because you're like, this sound is really cool. And then you show it to me and then I'm like, that works with this thing I'm working on. Cool. But like.

Yeah, so most of your ideas would you say, Jaycee, you get them like at the desk while you're like working? Yeah. I would say like most of my good ideas come from when I'm doing something else with my hands. It's like half my brain is occupied and the other half is like just roaming around. I try not to think too much about the past though. I don't know. Maybe, but sometimes I feel like I'm avoiding it. Like there's a lot of painful things like when I think back about those

that's healthy can be helpful.

Meaghan (56:59.032)
when I think back about my Have a Heart book and like how I kind of, had forgotten I wrote that.

Well, do those things still trigger you? have you kind of moved?

more like just the way that that all ended with River's birth.

So heartbreaking in so many ways. I don't think I've really processed it yet. I think I've just been like trying to survive with having kids and they're, getting old enough now though. Like they've started sleeping through the night, which sounds ridiculous to say, but honest to God, like they did not sleep through the night for eight years, probably not both of them through the whole night. I don't think for eight years after

we lost our career and everything. I wasn't sleeping. So it was like, we had to just keep surviving and I'm kind of coming out of survival mode now. And so maybe I'm a bit more reflective about things and I'm like, it's time to get in tune with my body and stuff.

Christina (58:00.396)
Hey, when you say, sorry to interrupt, but I will. When you say lost your career, cause like I see, think about you guys as you, you've, I don't think of lot that you lost a career at all. I really do see everything you like, you guys totally, you pivoted hard, like in an amazing, but you did, you did it in the, the greatest way. I feel like, you have,

We tried to pivot.

Christina (58:28.514)
because also the decision to stay home, whether it was a decision or not a choice, like what you did with that.

It was kind of a decision. was kind of, well, thank you, Christina. Like I have to say about you, you know, like during that time, which was probably the hardest time in my whole life, I had like a few people who reached out to me and I think a lot of people didn't really know what to say, but you're the one of the people who reached out to me and I will never ever forget that about you. And like, I will always have your back and be your fan. Thank you. Just because you're like a

inspiring.

Meaghan (59:06.678)
an amazing person but it's like you know how when you are a fan of somebody like a genuine fan like you really love their music and then you find out more about who they actually really are you are legit

What you've done with everything that happened to you, it's remarkable. you pivoted, but you were able to keep doing all the things you do love to do.

Well, it's yeah, it, you know, I had to say though, it has been hard as fuck. It really has. Like there's nothing to fall back on. It's a hundred percent like us just constantly hustling. There's no, there's no other side job or like regular job. and it's all fans supporting what we do. So it's like, you know, it feels incredible. And it always started doing custom songwriting for people. And I mean, that was.

Yeah.

Meaghan (01:00:02.1)
amazing in so many ways, but also deeply, deeply, traumatically difficult. Because our kids, didn't put them in daycare. So we were working and caring for kids and trying to record at home with kids. We didn't have a separate studio space. It's all in our house. I just remember being so exhausted and really artistically fulfilled with writing songs for people and hearing about

the, you know, like all of these real serious personal details about people's lives and just kind of being like this place where people felt like they could really open up because I'm not part of their daily life. I'm not going to judge them. I'm just their songwriter. And so it was like, it was so, it's been so many things, but it's been nine years that we've been doing that full time. And it's, it's, it's been incredible. And it's also like time to maybe pivot.

Again, I don't know. Yeah.

I can't wait to hear about more where you're going to pivot to. mean, I know you don't know right now. We'll just, we'll keep talking outside the podcast, but let's chat about, because I know we have to let you get back to your Christmas with your family in Tatamagush. And I want to talk about, cause we're going to pump this out soon. So we want to talk about the upcoming big show and whatever else you want to plug. Okay. Both of you.

Okay, so I have, do you want to talk about anything?

Christina (01:01:32.686)
Yeah, do you want to talk about anything Jason? Not now, but we're have you back. Yeah, there's some things that you've shared outside of this episode that if they are, which they will, come to fruition.

I don't think so.

for your project.

Meaghan (01:01:47.534)
It's going to be great.

could be explosive.

I mean, in the best way. That's Dale Murray clapping and you know, that's pretty impressive.

Well, we're really excited for our Christmas shows we have coming up December 19th and 20th at the Bella Rose Art Center. Cool.

Where is that? The Bellrose Art Center.

Meaghan (01:02:08.174)
It's what high school? High school. It's a really cool theater. You should check it out. Yeah, it's definitely it's like got a real cozy kind of but really nice theater vibe. It's cool. So we'll be there Friday night and Saturday. It's a matinee. It's to be 19th and 20th. It's just going to be very, very, very Christmassy and festive. And I'm going to be wearing sparkles and I've bought Jason.

Clayton Park, Halifax.

Right on. Yeah.

Christina (01:02:28.92)
20th.

Meaghan (01:02:36.864)
a sparkly bow tie that I'm forcing you to wear. And there's gonna be Santa and a magician and a children's choir and it's just.

Yes, that's awesome!

Christina (01:02:45.979)
So it is kid friendly, unlike your other shows.

huh. yeah. And I forgot to bring a copy for you, but I released a children's book, which I'm really excited about.

I'm gonna buy it so you don't have to bring wanna keep a copy for sure. Okay, give me a copy. I do wanna copy.

My song, it snowed. The lyrics are what the book is. drew all the pictures and yeah, absolutely a dream come true. Something I never ever thought I would be is like an author who has a book in a bookstore. Not that like my lyrics are complicated, but I do have dyslexia. so like considering myself an author is like kind of a mind trip for me, which is really exciting.

Dream come true.

Christina (01:03:28.526)
yeah!

Christina (01:03:33.76)
Hey question, you how you write songs for people? Like if people came to you and wanted to hire you to do the same for their songs or their books, like that you do that too. Would you?

like make it into a book?

Yeah.

or tell us about what you did with Dave Conner. You're like, We're talking about cut. I want you to. Yeah, okay.

million hours. You know what? No, I will not do that. It takes so long. took me eight months to do the illustrations for my book and for Dave's. Same for Dave's. Yeah, like it takes me months and months as Jason can attest because he is picking up all the slack that I am dropping while I'm furiously illustrating. I also what you were talking about like with like perfectionism.

Christina (01:04:08.28)
For yours or for-

Meaghan (01:04:24.478)
Even if I am making like five cents an hour, I will not rest until it is perfect for as far as I can tell. Like even if it's, and it's a problem, I just can't let it go until it's to my standards, no matter what it is, whether it's a painting or illustrations or anything. Having said that, I would do the best job for somebody like Dave, of course, and for myself. But yeah, I can't do people's books, no.

channel.

Thank you for asking. I'm really proud of myself for answering.

Other people will ask you, bet. I mean, I immediately was like, I should never do that for mine. But $1

No, I would I will. Yes. We'll work with you. And you, Dave.

Christina (01:05:04.482)
work with me so yeah I heard it here in a chat with her

me.

I'm sorry. I was expecting Trump, but.

I don't think so, Trump.

Blast!

Christina (01:05:16.768)
I

I would only do that if we collaborated on a, you know, like I would write a big grant application and get so that we would both be like, that'd be cool. have to worry about money and just like, you'd make coffees for us. Yeah. I'm not saying you're not going to be involved Jason, but you might not be. And so the coffees would be, and we could maybe put in the grant for the lattes, like for the cost.

Yeah, we should do that. You know, the book I did for Dave is To Be With You. Have you seen it? Yeah, I gotta give you a copy of that. It's like he wrote this beautiful song, To Be With You, and the lyrics are, all I want is to be with you all night long and all day too. And it's so lovely and like it sounds like a love song. And then he told me, you know, it's a song I wrote for my dog. And I was like, well, dang it. That's so sweet. And you know what I would love to write?

No, not yet. need to get that too.

Meaghan (01:06:14.464)
illustrate a book about a kitty.

Okay, well, this, there is a song that I wrote with Dale and my friend Krista Keough about Olivia. Really? Yeah, it's called Olivia.

Sounds like it's off to good start.

I have lots of photos of her to draw. That's her food.

Supper time. Yeah. Speaking of which.

Christina (01:06:41.142)
yeah, you guys got to go. Hey, it's been too much fun. So come back and we'll do. I have see this, to my right, your left, there's a big thing of games. I have, I know it's never worked for me. It's never worked. No. And no, I would ask you to play, but do you want to try it?

Yeah, we left the kiss. It really has.

Meaghan (01:06:52.587)
Yeah.

Meaghan (01:07:04.074)
Maybe next time. I'm actually freaked out a little bit by it. I have had some experiences. We should talk about the ex like the You should do it. I want you to do like a spooky spooky podcast Yeah, I've heard that one

Okay. you should listen to my episode with Laura Simpson. Okay. So it wasn't spooky enough? Well, we could go spookier.

Yeah, maybe multiple ghost stories. Okay. And I legit have some. That would be cool.

Okay. Yeah. Bring it. Well, it looks like we're going to spend more time in the future together and I can't wait. And you're going to have more time because you're going to drop eight things from your... I'm just saying no, it's so much fun. People understand too. Yeah.

And if they don't... No.

Christina (01:07:45.398)
Any final words, Jason?

Thank you for having us. This was great and I love hanging out with you guys. I feel like we are kind of on the same wavelength.

can't wait to show you my supplements. Can I show you before you go? yeah. Meaghan, love you. Thanks. Any final words?

Yeah, just thank you. Thank you for just like, just, I don't know. I'm just so grateful that you exist.

ditto.

Meaghan (01:08:15.842)
Thanks for

Anytime. Almost. Alright. We're done. Supplement time.

Christina (01:08:31.742)
Say goodbye

Christina (01:08:38.478)
Oh, I don't wanna say goodbye to you

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