A Chat with Heart - with Christina Martin
Canadian singer-songwriter Christina Martin started a podcast to hold sacred conversations with friends, family, and colleagues, gathering resources to help people navigate their own life, with expert tips and tricks on how to support a path with heart and personal growth. Authentic, playful and free from regulations, A Chat with Heart gives listeners an opportunity to call the Heartbeat Hotline, help shape future episodes and be featured on the podcast.
A Chat with Heart - with Christina Martin
Jessica Rhaye: Award-Winning Canadian Singer-Songwriter and Visual Artist
Christina chats with her friend, New Brunswick-based singer/songwriter and graphic designer Jessica Rhaye about her insanely successful viral video for her rendition of Bob Dylan's 'Blowin' in the Wind', finding her musical family, growing up in the country, and songwriting.
Jessica's songs have twice been a finalist in the Canada Music Week National Song-writing competition as well as a finalist in the folk category of the John Lennon Song-writing Contest. Notable co-writing partners over her career include Ron Sexsmith, Ken Tobias, Steve Poltz, Brent Mason, Royal Wood, and Matt Andersen. Jessica has graced many prestigious stages including the National Arts Centre, Stan Rogers Folk Festival, Mariposa Folk Festival, Shivering Songs Festival, Canadian Music Café, Hughs Room, Hotel Café, and Half Moon Putney. As a visual graphic design artist, Jessica Rhaye has won both the ECMA for graphic artist of the year and Music NB visual artist of the year for her design work for her own music projects and in collaboration for numerous musical artists.
In short, Jessica is a gem of a talent and woman!
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S3E5: Jessica Rhaye
Christina: [00:00:03] Welcome to a Chat with Heart. I'm your host, Christina Martin. I'm a singer-songwriter. I live on a dirt road with my best friend Dale in rural Nova Scotia, Canada. A chat with heart is just me having chill conversations with people I want to celebrate, and topics that I'm curious about. If you have a question or a comment for this podcast, call my heartbeat hotline 1-902-669-4769. To send this podcast even more love, visit me online at Patreon.com/ChristinaMartin. I'm so happy you're listening. Our personal stories have great power to heal, influence and inspire. All we have to do is show up for the conversation.
Podcast Theme Song 'Talk About It': [00:00:49] If we just talk about it, we could shine a light, we could break a dark day. If we just talk about it, we can cut a way, we can make a brighter day.
Christina: [00:01:14] Hey, how's it going? You know, every day, if I don't make a list of what I want to do that day, I, uh, I get depressed and feel really out of sorts. It's a thing for me. I have been list making since I was very young, and, uh. Yeah. If I don't plan out my day, um, I can spiral and feel real down and get caught up in sort of negative self-talk. So, uh, but I am happy to report that I've been feeling really good, um, more consistently being home and having routine and staying on task and, uh, getting back to making my lists even when I'm tired. It's like this morning I could have hit snooze like a million times, but I was like, get the fuck out of bed, get up. Just get up, take the garbage out, get some fresh air, make your list. Because I didn't make it last night. And, uh, I usually sleep better when I make my list. Like, what are my. What do I kind of hope to do the next day? And, uh, I wake up more alert when I have a plan. I just enjoy my life better. That's just me. I don't know what y'all. Some people, probably the last thing they want to do is make a list. But this is just. I'm just talking about me and my life and what I need to do in order not to feel depressed and, uh, to feel joy and like I accomplished something. And, yeah, I'm just a happier person when I have a routine and accomplish things in my day.
Christina: [00:03:02] So. And the other thing I'm working on too is if because sometimes I don't always know how long something's going to take me to do, you know, like, let's say, write a, I don't know, a grant report or setting up a, you know, a collaborative document between a team partner or whatever, whatever it is, writing a song, um, learning, memorizing lyrics, it can sometimes take longer. So I've been trying to be easier on myself, you know, if if I don't get everything done on my list, I can move it to the next day or find another time in the week. And but I do have to kind of be very good with the time management thing. Anyhow, I'm sure some of you might care about this, and most of you are like, who fucking cares what's going on with you all? Like, how are you? Are you struggling? Do you need to call my heartbeat hotline? Do you have a question for me? Do you have tips on what's working to help keep yourself on track? If you do, call my Heartbeat Hotline. It's free. And, uh, if you don't have a long distance plan in Canada, it might cost you a little something. But, I mean, isn't there an app to call any number around the world for free these days? I don't know. Anyway, my heartbeat hotline that you can call is, uh, in Canada is or from anywhere in the world is 1-902-669-4769. You can leave me a comment. Prank calls are more than welcome. I really look forward to listening to the messages.
Christina: [00:04:36] And sometimes they make it to the podcast and and that's, uh, that's really cool when they do. Uh, so, uh, Dale and I just finished watching 'You Are What You Eat' a twin experiment. There's four episodes. It's on Netflix. It's fascinating. They followed 21 sets of twins over two months. Uh, measuring the effects of diet, plant based versus omnivore diet and exercise on, uh, aspects of physical and mental functioning and, uh, and DNA. It was really fucking cool. And it confirmed that my decision to go plant based in 2019 was indeed the right decision for me. Every now and then, like I, you know, I do crave or think of all the things I used to eat because, you know, they're they're addictive too. Like a lot of the salty and fatty foods, um, the comfort foods, like, it's a lot of reasons why we like to eat what we like to eat. And, um, so I do like to kind of refresh my memory sometimes it's with the documentary just reading a bit or about why, uh, did I decide to go plant based. And there are so many reasons, but I'm not going to get into it here. Really. The biggest is like, I just want to try to live as healthy and long a life as I can and feel good as long as I can. So if you're curious about transitioning to a plant based diet or you're looking to incorporate a few healthier habits, uh, check it out. It can't hurt. No. Presh. Okay. I want to get to my guest today.
Christina: [00:06:11] It was nothing but joy chatting with my friend Jessica Rhaye. Uh, we chat about family, her growing up in the countryside, eating, um, eating vegetables with dirt on them. And a lot of talk about the about dirt and for good reason. And Jessica emphasizes how, um, finding your people and investing in them, like your group, that you feel like you can be yourself around, that's the golden ticket. Uh, so she talks a lot about that. So that's really interesting. And we, um, we also chat about her music video that went viral, like over 14 million views, viral and, uh, fact check here. Um, fact correction during our chat. I'm so embarrassed about, uh, we were listening back and editing it and, um, so I mentioned her viral music video for her rendition of Bob Dylan's Blowing in the wind. And I made the stupidest mistake. I said. I said the video had 4 million views, and I kept repeating it that you'll get you'll. We didn't edit that out. That's a big understatement. As I said earlier at this time, uh, this podcast episode launching over 14 million views. So that that's I mean, that's really incredible. Incredible, uh, organic views, might I add. So she talks about that. How did that happen? And what does that mean for an artist, uh, singer songwriter? Uh, what does that mean for a singer songwriter doing a rendition of another artist song, you know, monetary wise? So, yeah, we chat about that. I can't wait for you to hear that. So Jessica is a New Brunswick based singer songwriter.
Christina: [00:07:52] Her songs have twice been a finalist in the Canada music Week National Songwriting Competition, as well as a finalist in the folk category of the John Lennon Songwriting Contest. Jessica's notable co-writing partners over her career include Ron Sexsmith, Ken Tobias, Steve Poltz, Brent Mason, Royal Wood, and Matt Anderson. She has graced many prestigious stages including the National Arts Centre, Stan Rogers Folk Fest, Mariposa Folk Festival, Shivering Songs, Canadian Music Cafe, Hugh's Room Hotel Cafe in LA and as a visual graphic design artist. Jessica Rhaye has won both the East Coast Music Award for Graphic Artists of the Year and Music New Brunswick Visual Artist of the year for her design work for her own music projects and in collaboration for numerous musical artists. She's worked on a number of my album and single layouts. I love working with Jessica, so you get it. She's, uh, super acclaimed, super awesome. She's a great talent. I'm a big fan of her music and the people she surrounds herself with, and I'm so happy we made time to chat and then I can now share it with you.
Christina: [00:09:17] First of all, welcome to the fucking podcast. I've been wanting to have you on. You've always been on my list. You've always been on my list. And maybe a little bit of me has been like, she'll always be. I was just taking you for granted. She'll always be there, you know? What's the rush? Um, but I didn't want to wait too much longer, so. Welcome to a chat with our podcast.
Jessica: [00:09:38] Thank you. I'm happy to be here with you.
Christina: [00:09:40] All right, fam family. I'm happy you're here too. Family. You have a big family. It seems like you all love each other and support each other. You've also from my, uh, where I sit, I feel like you've been investing in your musical family. This. That's probably feels just like your real family. I mean, but, like, they just seem so close. And particularly through the pandemic, like you just spent that was your bubble for a long time. And you put out this great record, Sunshine Baby, um, with your band Ramshackle Parade. And, um, who? It seems like they're family. And are they, like, are they your sunshine during the darker, more challenging times? Like, tell me about your family musically and your biological and whatever you want to whoever you consider family and how they how they've. Yeah. Supported you.
Jessica: [00:10:30] Okay. Well, I do come from a big family. There's five children in my family. I have two sisters and two brothers. I'm the second oldest. And, um, just growing up, we lived way we lived out in the country. I mean, I, I live in Hampton, so I still do.
Christina: [00:10:45] I'm looking at forest behind out your window. I know you haven't left. Yeah.
Jessica: [00:10:50] When where I grew up though, was Titusville and it wasn't developed then. So we were on like this. It was an old cattle dirt road is what we lived on. It's it's since been paved and there's more homes and stuff. But we really I really experienced country living. We didn't have a farm. We had a huge vegetable garden that my dad would would grow and we would, you know, just eat carrots with dirt still on them. Like, I, I grew up looking at dirt and looking at.
Christina: [00:11:19] And your mouth watering and your mouth would.
Jessica: [00:11:22] I was one with dirt.
Christina: [00:11:25] That is. Hey, there's a lot of B12 in the dirt.
Jessica: [00:11:29] That's true. Yeah, it's it's good for your skin,
Christina: [00:11:32] Great skin.That's why you have great skin. And you're so healthy and bubbly.
Jessica: [00:11:37] All I can see it, but we, I really did, like I grew up in, in the, in the woods kind of. Right. We didn't really have any neighbours with other kids. So my brothers and sisters and I, they were we were all best friends and we grew up together. And, um, we're still very, very close. We've always been a close family. And so yeah, I guess I don't. I personally, I have two children, so I know a lot of people say, oh, you must be because you came from a big family. You're probably going to have lots of kids. And I was like, well, I have two and I think I'm happy with two a boy and a girl. And um, but yeah, it's it's it's fun. It's it's a real juggling act with music now, having kids because, you know, it's not just it's a production, as you know, to put on a show, just one show is a huge production. But when you have children, it's that's a whole other production that you have to, you know, coordinate and organize. And I am so fortunate to have, um, my family to help me with, with my children, you know, when I was away, um, in Ontario, my between my sister Caitlin and my mom and dad, they watched the kids for us.
Jessica: [00:12:50] So, yeah, family is super important. And, um, I don't I don't take them for granted at and but with music, like a music family, it's funny that you say that because. Yeah, it's it's kind of like. It takes a long time to find your music family. I think it's taken me a while. I've. I have come across and met so many wonderful musicians, and I've had the opportunity to work with so many amazing musicians. But there's something about this group that I work with right now that it just it does. It feels like it feels like a family. And we see each other like a family sees each other so often. And, you know, we, um, we, we really work together as a family. Um. Yeah. And it's kind of like I always think, too, about how I am as a person. I mean, even in my relationships, my. I married Mark and I, we were high school sweethearts. I've just. Whenever I find something that works. Really well with with me and and my, um, who I want to be around. I really hold on to that.
Christina: [00:14:02] Um. Yeah.
Jessica: [00:14:03] Life is so crazy. And it's so, uh, it goes by so fast, and you try and find the little sparks and the things that that, um, give you comfort and and make you feel good and, you know, that make you feel like you. So I try to I try to hold on to that. So when I find people along the way that are, they're kind of like little gems, really. I try to hold on to those people and work with them as often as I can because, um. It's it's it's it's not an easy thing to do in life. I find, you know, whether you're doing music music wise or any just in life. So. Yeah, I mean, even working with Dale, I love working with Dale.
Christina: [00:14:46] You're talking about you're talking about Dale Murray, my husband and co-producer of this podcast. And, uh. Yeah, well, I wasn't going to bring him up, but you did. And so we can definitely talk about Dale. He's a gem.
Jessica: [00:14:58] Yeah. And he's a huge part in this music family. And, you know, the sound and the production of of, uh, the records that we've recorded with him. I mean, this is not the only one we've done for now, I think, and we're planning on recording more.
Christina: [00:15:12] He just got an email. He's pretty excited. Yeah, he's pretty excited from you saying that you wanted to record more. And, uh, uh, I'm not going to throw any spoilers out here, but he did. He did fill me in on one of the covers that I think Mark may have had some impact or insight into who, but I'm not going to spoil anything. Just know that something awesome is coming down the pipeline. Everybody. Um, yeah. But, Dale, really, um, you know, we were talking about that. We've talked many times about how much he appreciates, um, working with you, and I've enjoyed just watching and listening from my office up here as you're, as I'm hearing the development of the mixes, and and I've just I've always been so impressed with you and what you deliver and how professional you are. And great to work with and, and, uh, I could go on and gush and gush and I will in my intro to this podcast episode, but, um. But family. Yeah. Finding the people you you love that it's working and and fostering those relationships and. Yeah. Um, yeah, I think I see you do that. It's great. And, uh.
Jessica: [00:16:19] Even, like, even in in video and film and photography, there are people that I love working with and people that get me. And I don't have to explain myself every time. It's just like they just know, and it just makes the process that much easier. And you can you can hear it and you can see it too. I think when people are comfortable and confident in their environment and who they're working with, and I really strive for that in my musical family life and in my personal life.
Christina: [00:16:54] You had said earlier just that it took a long time, and I, I that resonates with me. It's taken a long time. And I mean, in part I wonder if that is because we've had we have other interests. We have have had to do other things to fuel our support, our career, that it just is the way it was. And we've had to have our hit and misses and trials and errors and we've just had to go through that like.
Jessica: [00:17:22] Oh yeah, it's all part of your growth. You have to. Yeah, you have to. And I find for me, I don't know if you feel this way, but I find I look back on some of my growth and my fails and I feel so embarrassed. But I think if I didn't, if I didn't have those fails, then I wouldn't be where I am right now. And working with that I'm working with right now because I just I didn't know what I know now.
Christina: [00:17:45] Well, now, now, yes, you're absolutely right. And, um, we need to look at our mistakes as really good opportunities for obviously when we do something that we're embarrassed about, we go, okay, I got to fucking change this like I don't want to do. But now I'm curious if because I was I want to ask you about, uh, a couple of your highlights in your career, looking back to this day, the things that you're like, that was a once in a lifetime opportunity. But I also now want to know what are the things you were embarrassed of? Like, what's one is there? Is there something that pops out as like.
Jessica: [00:18:16] You think about it, I just all melds together. I don't know, I don't want to dwell on that because I really do. I go to bed at night and those are the things I think about.
Christina: [00:18:24] I used to do more of that, but not now. Like I used to ruminate. And I really am grateful for this getting older bit where you just, um, now I'm, you know, I'm like, oh, that didn't work or whatever, but man, I used to obsess over. Yeah, the the embarrassing moments or the conversations with people. Maybe I was trying to impress that. I felt like I fucked up and how could I have? It's just it was a waste of my time. But whatever. That was who I was back then.
Jessica: [00:18:53] Yeah, well, I know whenever I feel that way, like even just yesterday I had an interview with somebody and I, I after the interview, I was like, oh my God, why did I say that? Just like you were saying, you know? And then I think, oh, I should have said this or I should have done this differently. So I'm, you know, venting to mark my husband and he always has the right thing to say to me. And he just he's always like, just, just be yourself. Just be yourself. And sometimes I don't like myself.
Christina: [00:19:23] Oh, I'm with you. But I do think you know it. Part of our job or part of my job, I feel, is. Look is trying to be myself and relax. Yeah. When you are being your best self and whatever like that can that still involves like saying the wrong thing sometimes. Or we have to sometimes speak or say or do things to understand. Oh, actually that's not what I mean. And that is part of being authentic and human. And then you just kind of hope that the world isn't going to cancel you, right? Um, you know, the people that love you and support you will understand because they see it in themselves like I've. Yeah. You know, but, uh.
Jessica: [00:20:06] I agree that was a very good way of of explaining that. Yeah.
Christina: [00:20:11] Um, but. Yeah, well, I should talk more to Mark than to Dale about my mishaps, because Dale is like, yeah, you're right. That sucks. You know, or.
Jessica: [00:20:19] Well, sometimes, sometimes he gets tired of what I have to say and just walk out of it. But.
Christina: [00:20:25] That's good too.
Jessica: [00:20:27] But it is. It is good to have a sounding board that's not, um, he's very good at at at helping me through my embarrassing moments, but I like to think I help him, too, though.
Christina: [00:20:40] Um, yeah. You're a team for sure. Um, Mark Marshall, everybody, if for those of you listening, married to Jessica and, uh, and he's he has taken on, and I don't know if it's always been this way, but like kind of a what is his role like? Is he a manager? Do you call him something. What do you.
Jessica: [00:20:57] Yeah, I mean, he really he manages the business side of, of music for me and which is amazing because I really I don't have time for that. And I don't even feel like making time for that. It's awful to say, but I just find it takes me so long, um, to figure things out. And he just. He gets it. He's a business mind and, uh, you know, filling out grants and and he booked our tour, um, our shows that we did all last year. He he booked all that. And that is not easy to do, as you know, it's that's a whole other hat to wear. Really? Yeah. But he, he, um, he enjoys it, though. I know he kind of he'll be like, oh, you know, wretched, wretched. But I think he enjoys it because, you know, there there's always these like, all right, we got we got this show, I booked you this show. So, you know, you get excited about those wins. Yeah. But he, he manages the, the business side of music. So it allows me to just be an artist and concentrate on the music and the art. So. And I, I give them lots of hugs and kisses.
Christina: [00:22:05] He did such a great job of, uh, booking your your. Well, you're really the last couple of years that I've noticed, um, your shows and producing them. Um, yeah. He's a winner. He's a keeper.
Jessica: [00:22:18] He is. He's one of those little gems I picked up and didn't let go.
Christina: [00:22:21] Yeah, no. And he's given me great advice over the years, too. I love, I love, um, I love just back and forth with him about the business side of things. Um, so, so okay, can you think of a couple of the career highlights that you're like, oh my God, I can't believe that happened. That was really special. You know, for whatever reason.
Jessica: [00:22:42] Um, I always go back to one highlight. It was it happened earlier on in my career, but it really was a huge highlight. You remember Asif Illyas?
Christina: [00:22:53] Of course. Oh my God, what a talent.
Jessica: [00:22:55] Yeah. So they were the band MIR, and they put on a MIR super show. Did you ever see the MIR super show? I think they did it a couple of years.
Christina: [00:23:04] I don't know if I've seen. I've seen mere I mean, I think I went up to Asif and, like, proposed to him after a show one time. I mean, I'm just in love with the band. And, um, yeah, he was very supportive of me early on in my career. Love them. Don't know about the super show, but keep going, keep going. Yeah.
Jessica: [00:23:21] So he they they put on this super show. I feel like they might have done a couple of years, but one year I wasn't they asked me to be involved in it. And I had really just had my first record. I didn't have any other music and that just, you know, he was so supportive of of me and my music. And I was really a real, you know, a newbie on the scene. And he, he, he just he asked me to be part of this huge production and it was MIR but it was like MIR with a whole symphony orchestra, like all these different musicians. Like it was a huge production. He had, um, Bruce Guthro was in it, um, Mary Jane uh, oh my gosh, Lamont, Lamont. Yeah. And, uh, Colin Hay, he was in it as well. It was just this huge production. And I'm looking around thinking, what? This is crazy that I've been asked to do this and they learned one of my songs. Um. Well, what's it called? I breathe your light. Yeah, it was an alter. I don't even do it anymore. But they learned one of my songs, and then, um, I did Wild Horses as a duet with Asf, and it was just a huge highlight of my life, because, you know, I'm a folk singer songwriter, singer, songwriter, but I love to rock out to.
Jessica: [00:24:42] And it really was. It was like a rock symphony, orchestrated whole big show, and it was like they did it at the Rebecca Cohn. And then, um, CBC picked it up. I'm pretty sure it was a CBC, CBC production after that. And it was at the um Arts Centre, um, in Ottawa, um, where they had it. And that's it was just it was incredible. And it was filmed. So I have little clips to just, you know, so I can remember it. But it really was an exciting time. And I was also I think it was 2003. Yeah. Because I was still in college and, uh, I had one of the fashion designer students at the school design me an outfit for this show. So it was like scarves. And anyway, it was just really cool. I felt really cool in that moment.
Christina: [00:25:32] Yeah. Isn't that isn't that fun when you're just doing what you love and you're kind of, you know, kind of, for lack of better words, clueless of, like what? How to what's going to happen in my life and my career and then but somebody notices and somebody says, hey, and somebody sees that you're new at this, you know, and I want to bring them on. I think they have something special. And it really it really. And now it's like going, this is I don't know when this happened, but like and now it's like one of your career highlights like, and it probably has informed some of the stuff that you've dreamed of doing in the future. Like how cool.
Jessica: [00:26:07] Yeah. Yeah. It really well, I, I loved our version that we did of Wild Horses and I ended up recording that song, uh, later on on a record, and I did it, you know, emulating the version that we did together in the super show. So, I don't know, it really was a cool moment, and I just felt very supported in that in that time and that show.
Christina: [00:26:29] That's a great highlight I love it. Yeah. Um, you know, one of the things Dale reminded me we like to do on this podcast is, uh, talk about kind of. Pivotal moments are like challenges, and I love talking about fears and facing fears. And I'm curious for you, what were some of the things that you can remember being afraid of, but you then went and did it anyway, or really worked hard to like, move with that fear and manifest something like, can you, you know, if you have any.
Jessica: [00:27:02] Well, you know what? I was always I was always fearful of recording guitar or even playing the guitar live. And because I just, I've, I've never been one to read music. And I always just felt it. And so my, my songs when, when I, when I write them, they're very freeform. And then I would take them to a band and it would be kind of difficult to put it together because it was kind of freeform and it wasn't in any certain type of, you know, specific rhythm or timing. So that always kind of made me go, okay, well, I, I guess I'm not, you know, smart enough to play the guitar because it's so freeform and I can't seem to get the verses all. You know what I mean. Chopped into one little segment.
Christina: [00:27:47] Oh a guitar has been a fear of mine. Still is. But I still do it. But I'm like I don't know what I'm doing. Oh yeah. No, because I'm like, you like, it wasn't really like I was self-taught. Yeah. Um, wasn't really into reading music. I'm taking piano lessons right now and using, like, starting from scratch, essentially. So I'm with you. So. So you feel now that you. Because you, you know, I wouldn't know that watching you play.
Jessica: [00:28:19] Well, I always thought, you know what? Let somebody else do it. Well, yeah. I'll hire another guitar player or, you know, we'll we'll hire a session guitar player because I just can't do it. I would just put my hands up. I just had myself. In my head thinking I'm not good enough, and I don't think anybody ever told me I wasn't good enough. I think it was just me.
Christina: [00:28:39] Self imposed. Yeah, yeah.
Jessica: [00:28:41] So I think, um, that that pivotal moment happened, um, when I started working with Dale, actually, and when I around that time I was working with, um, with Sandy and Bill as well, and they were really, you know, taking the time to, to show me different chords and show me different, you know, ways of playing. So I just, I think I just felt more comfortable and confident. Yeah. And yeah, that was kind of a kind of a pivotal moment for me as far as playing guitar. And I also I know that, um, sometimes I would, I wouldn't play a guitar for shows and uh, certain songs I would play the guitar on and people would say, I really like the songs that you play guitar on.
Christina: [00:29:29] So there you go, there you go.
Jessica: [00:29:31] So I was like, okay. There, I should really start doing that more. But yeah. So anyway, I know I don't feel as I also still know that if there's a, a guitar part that I hear in my head that I am not getting, I am the first one to say, look, guys, I can't get this. Sure. And it's not because I'm, I'm just quitting. It's because I really know I can't get the vibe.
Christina: [00:29:51] So I do the same. And, um, oftentimes the parts I'm hearing are like, these are for other people to play another instruments. Not. But I've, I've, I've seen that you are also playing piano live now and I don't know was that something that that that you always did or was this something you just learned recently how to play the piano?
Jessica: [00:30:13] No, I don't even I wouldn't even say I know how to play the piano. I can play two songs. Two songs that I wrote.
Christina: [00:30:20] Your songs. Okay. No, this is good for. This is inspiration for me because.
Jessica: [00:30:24] Well, okay, first of all, back it up. Yeah. You had read Jeff Tweedy's book How to Write One song. Yep. And you had posted about it. This was a couple of years ago, and Mark saw that and he got me that book. He's like, this is a book Christina posted. She said she read and, you know, check it out. So I did, and it was that book that inspired me to try a different instrument, try writing on a different instrument. Do you remember that being one of the tips?
Christina: [00:30:52] Yes, yes I do. Yeah.
Jessica: [00:30:54] So we had we had just bought a keyboard for our kids at the time. They, they both take piano lessons and they can read music. Christina. Oh my God, I, I can't even help them with their theory anymore because it's.
Christina: [00:31:06] It's beyond.
Jessica: [00:31:07] Yeah, it's way beyond. I can read a bit. I'm just not one to sit down at the piano and, you know, read the music and it translate from my brain to my fingers. It just doesn't work that way for me. It's just all, all feel and the chords. And so anyway, after after doing a lesson with one of the kids because it was also during Covid and they were doing lessons from home. So I would hold my phone and their teacher would be on messenger and, you know, they would they would speak to each other through messenger with me holding the phone while they would do their lessons. So I was kind of taking in their piano lessons, and I think it was fifths and fourths. Ryder was learning about the different chords. So anyway, I just I sat down at this new keyboard and I started kind of just pulsing on that C or G. I don't even know what chord it is, to be honest.
Christina: [00:31:55] That's okay.That's what everyone's going to know. But I love how you whispered into the like, microphone. I don't even know what I'm doing.
Jessica: [00:32:02] I don't even know what I'm doing.Uh, but it just it just came out. And that's how a lot of songs come to me too, is just hearing a chord.
Christina: [00:32:10] Mhm.
Jessica: [00:32:11] Hearing a couple of chords together, I hear, I hear something in that. So that's where Sunshine Baby came from.
Christina: [00:32:17] And that's. Oh that's really I love that story I love that.
Jessica: [00:32:20] Yeah. So that's, that's real. And you were, you were a connection in that story too.
Christina: [00:32:24] Oh very happy.
Jessica: [00:32:26] Having promoted that that book. And it was a really great book. And there were other, other little tips and tricks too, that I got even not just for, for songwriting, but just for writing. I just found really good, good book for that. But I also play I remember playing keyboard when we were doing the, um, Just Like a Woman, Songs of Bob Dylan tour. Yeah. And I, I thought I there was organ. I think Dale played the organ on One More Cup of Coffee and the song was missing that texture. So I was like, I could play it, I'll play the organ.
Christina: [00:32:56] I'll do it.
Jessica: [00:32:57] Show me where I play. You know, I just need to for. Just to give it a chord.
Christina: [00:33:02] You had an organ just for that one song for that tour?
Jessica: [00:33:05] Yeah. So we, on that tour, I think it was Bill's. It was just a tiny little keyboard. And I think we had like a makeshift skateboard. Like we used an old wooden skateboard, like a blank skate.
Christina: [00:33:18] Amazing.
Jessica: [00:33:18] With a scarf over it on top.
Christina: [00:33:21] Classy, classy.
Jessica: [00:33:22] Of some kind. And it was really classy. It was cool, but I had put green paint tape over the keys. That I was supposed to play.
Christina: [00:33:32] Brilliant.
Jessica: [00:33:33] So that I wouldn't, you know, I wasn't. So I knew what to play anyway. Yeah, I had a nightmare that I had eaten guacamole and it got all over my keyboard and I couldn't see the screen.
Christina: [00:33:45] Oh my God, that is a very, very specific.
Jessica: [00:33:50] I know, but I was really nervous about it. But I did it. Yeah,
Christina: [00:33:55] Good for you.
Jessica: [00:33:56] But that was the dream I had. And I couldn't see the green tape and I it would freak me out anyway.
Christina: [00:34:02] Oh, I love that example. I love that example. You know, one of my goals right now with my piano lessons, my only goal, to be honest, is to be able to play one song in front of an audience on the piano and sing my song at the same time. I'm petrified. I'm terrified. Terrified. Someday, someday.
Jessica: [00:34:20] I totally I you know what? I totally get that. I totally get it. And you know what? All you need to do is once. Just do it once, and after that, you.
Christina: [00:34:27] Can quit? Oh, I thought you meant I could stop.
Jessica: [00:34:30] You. No, no. Just do it once in front of people and you know, get all your nerves out on that one, okay. No. And then you can do it.
Christina: [00:34:39] I'm getting the sweats just honestly thinking about it. So, um, but yeah, it's it. Yeah. Okay. I'll just I'll keep. Listen, you are inspiration for a lot of reasons, but that's one of them. I think if you sometimes I'm like, Jessica did it and maybe I can do it and, uh, yeah. So.
Jessica: [00:34:59] Yeah. Well, on that Sunshine Baby tour, we, we took a keyboard with us, and I was determined, we're going to do Sunshine Baby on the freaking piano here, people. I don't know if it's going to sound good. But that's what we're doing. Yeah. So we actually. We had we worked out an acoustic. We called it our acoustical version of Sunshine Baby. Just in case. Just in case, in case I freaked out and I thought, no, I'm going to do it. And again, the boys were so, you know, you can do it. You know, just really, really making me feel good. And what's the word? They were really.
Christina: [00:35:34] Well, they were encouraging you.
Jessica: [00:35:35] Encouraging. Super encouraging.
Christina: [00:35:37] Yeah.
Jessica: [00:35:38] I remember I remember. Chris, Chris doesn't say a whole lot, but when he says stuff it's like, okay, Chris said that. So that is how it's going to be. And he I remember at a rehearsal he was like, he liked the piano version the best. I was like, okay, well, if Chris if Chris says it's good, it's got to be good. We did a show at the trailside, uh, before we did our big Imperial home. Home like the home show. And I am so glad. Not that I screwed it up there or anything, but I am just so glad that I had a first show to get that complete nervous feeling out of the way so that I could feel more comfortable. And it really was. It was just like something washed off of me after I got that. Yeah, out of my system. And then from there on, I was like, oh yeah, hell yeah. We're going to play whatever, whatever venue has a piano, a real piano. We're going to get that thing out and we're going to play a real piano at every show. So we tried to do that. Whatever venue we played in there would be really nice baby grand. So we were like, so excited. Sandy played the piano too, on a lot of these songs, so he and I would get quite excited on that tour to see what venue was going to have a real piano for.
Christina: [00:36:56] For my little heartbeat listeners, when you're talking about, uh, Sandy, that Sandy McKay and Bill Prepper, and they're also in a folk trio, um, it's called Prepper Rhaye, McKay. That's the folk trio. So that is that's what that those are the, uh, amazing humans you're referring to there, but in Ramshackle Parade that comprises of that, those two, and then Chris.
Jessica: [00:37:21] Chris Braden, and Clinton Charlton. Yeah.
Christina: [00:37:24] Gotcha. Okay. Just, you know, everyone likes to know. And I mean, I know, everyone loves to know. And I have sometimes my friends, uh, text me and be like, where was your guest from? And uh, and, uh, many of them will be delighted to know that you're in New Brunswick, which is the province I also grew up in. Uh, right. So Atlantic Canada, New Brunswick. Um, but what you were just talking about reminded me of, uh, David Byrne has a book called How Music Works. And in that he talked about how, um, the Talking Heads, um, band used to do these, like, warm up gigs leading up to a bigger presentation testing things in theaters. Yeah. Um, and I think of that, I think of doing that. Always looking for opportunities to work out the nerves and the kinks because they're inevitable. Um, and I can't I can't even help it for myself. Like, it's it's like I find it's better to, like, work backwards. Book your big events that you want to build up to and dream to, and then everything up. Until. That is like rehearsing and strengthening and working out kinks and trying things.
Jessica: [00:38:36] Yeah, yeah. I'm glad. I think a lot of people do that. I know a lot of stand up comedians. They'll do that. Yeah, you know, they'll do a test run to. I highly recommend it. I will do that from now on because it really did help. We figured out some some tuning issues in between songs that we're like, okay, well, we got to tighten that up because, you know, the crickets are starting to. Yeah, chirp in between songs. And, you know, you just don't want that. You don't want to lose your audience. So.
Christina: [00:39:03] I know.
Jessica: [00:39:04] And you're the same. You like to put on a show like this is our our show. So each song needs to get into the next song quickly with either a story or just go right into it. Like, I don't want to have to be, you know, ad libbing too much.
Christina: [00:39:19] Yeah, Dale told me Joni Mitchell has, uh, some kind of a device or it's a special guitar that she literally pushes a button, and it just auto tunes her different tunings and. Oh, my God, I was. I hate tuning live. I can tune my guitar, but like, when I'm distracted, I super sensitive to just all kinds of things. And. Yeah, um, I, I find it's really hard to tune in between songs, uh, especially if I'm not.
Jessica: [00:39:47] Can you talk and tune at the same time?
Christina: [00:39:48] I try and I usually fail, and, uh, most of the time the audience doesn't, doesn't notice. But Dale and I are like, yeah, that wasn't super in tune.
Jessica: [00:40:02] Yeah.
Christina: [00:40:03] So. But I wouldn't mind, uh, exploring that option. Yeah.
Jessica: [00:40:08] You know, let me know what you find out because I wouldn't mind knowing.
Christina: [00:40:10] Yeah. In lieu of, like, hiring, I have for special shows that hired a guitar tech, and that's wonderful. Um, you know, but even then, like, uh, at one time, I had, uh, my tech, uh, again, human, human error, but handed me my guitar and the volume was all the way down inside the guitar. Should have been a 75% up, and I didn't know that. And so I thought there was a problem with when we plugged in my guitar, the jack, there was no sound. And I'm on the main stage of this big festival and, uh, kind of freaking out. Eventually I realized what it might be, thankfully. But, um, anyway, all that to say, working out the kinks, having these conversations, making mistakes, not firing anybody because of it, but just saying, hey, what's up? You know, let's try not to redo this. Yeah. Oh my God.
Christina: [00:41:05] Um, I want to talk about, uh, a really cool success. Um, I mean, there's so many for you that I see, really. But but one in particular that I think is great for so many reasons was the success of, um. Well, you have over 4 million organic views for a music video that you did for a cover of Bob Dylan's song blowing in the Wind and 4 million, like, I mean, this this, uh, this allowed you to then monetize your YouTube channel. Um, and you have today. I was checking on it because I left a little comment. Uh, you have over 3.7 thousand comments, over 100,000 thumbs up. And like, you know, people must have asked you like, were those bought I and how was this experience? Like, tell me, just tell me how this happened.
Jessica: [00:41:56] Actually, I think it's I think it just went over 14 million the other day.
Christina: [00:42:00] Congrats. And it's yeah, it's fucking unbelievable.
Jessica: [00:42:03] I remember being excited when it went to a million, and I remember seeing it climb to a million, and it was right around Bob Dylan's 80th birthday. And for whatever reason, people were really looking up Bob Dylan for his 80th birthday, and they found our version of blowin in the wind, and radio station started playing it, and it just it just took off. I remember, um, because I get I get an email from YouTube whenever I get a comment. So I did see your comment come in this morning, and all of a sudden I started getting all these emails with comments. I was like, Mark, something is going on because I wasn't really paying that much attention to my YouTube channel. I, I do now, and I've figured it out way more than I knew then. Yeah. Um, but I was like, something's happening. So we we started, uh, every day. We'd be like, you know, 3000 more people. Three, you know, it just seemed to climb every day. And then all of a sudden it got to a million. And we, I mean, the boys and I, I think we had a party for it. For it. Yeah. But now that 14 million and I just. It's crazy. It's a beast. It's it's a wild beast on its own. And, um, it's kind of scary in a way. There's just a lot of, um, it's just like, all over the world. It's not just in, you know, my little bubble in New Brunswick that sees it now. It's like it's all over the world. And I think it's and it's not so much I mean, the video is really cool, but I think it's our version as well. Like, it's the song. It's, it's.
Christina: [00:43:30] Um. It's beautiful.
Jessica: [00:43:32] It's kind of like. I feel like, um. I feel like we chose the right, you know, on Indiana Jones when he has to choose the right vessel.
Christina: [00:43:41] Mhm. Yeah.
Jessica: [00:43:42] I feel like we chose the right cover song like. That was. And and to be honest that was a live recording. We, Bill and Sandy and I, I have it on my, on my phone. We stood around one microphone in your recording in your living room area there and recorded that live. So it's not even there's really not a whole lot of bells and whistles to it.
Christina: [00:44:07] It's very simple. Beautiful song, beautiful delivery.
Jessica: [00:44:11] Yeah, I think we added bass to it. Um, separate bass track. And we also added harmonies as a separate track, but everything else was all one take. So anyway.It's kind of cool.
Christina: [00:44:23] Well, it's a great story for that, that this was not something you strategized, that you paid money for, that anyone was even thinking about. You just were following your heart, your your. It was a passion, passion project in your music career. These are cover versions, not your own.
Jessica: [00:44:41] Oh my gosh. And I've been singing blown in the wind since I was a kid. I, I would go into shows in middle school, junior high and you know, kids would be singing Madonna or Roxette or, you know, the, you know, all the cool.
Christina: [00:44:56] Yeah.
Jessica: [00:44:56] I was blowning in the wind.
Christina: [00:44:58] That is really cool part of the story. That's really cool to know. And it's it makes sense to me now. Like, I mean, it makes sense for a lot of reasons anyway. I shouldn't say now it makes sense, but it makes so much more sense because this is tied to something like that. Young. When you were young, it was part of your upbringing and yeah, your heart and soul, and it was part of your.
Jessica: [00:45:23] Going back to the mud like it was it was mud. It was like that was in me, like mud.
Christina: [00:45:28] The dirt helped you be able to develop this, your vocals for this song and oh my God. The dirt helped you become a YouTube success. Uh, and have you seen for artists listening to this, um, you know, how has it changed things for you? What is it? You know, in terms of, I guess, your career, your audience, um, you seeing and feeling, you know, what are the perks to that actually happening?
Jessica: [00:45:58] So the, I guess the perks to that. And I'm so, so happy that that was a perk too, because I'm a very visual person. I'm also a graphic designer, visual artist. And um, because we because that video, uh, it grew my followers, my subscribers. I thought with this new album, Sunshine Baby, I was like, we're going to do a crapload of videos. And so because, you know, people are there, I need to I need to feed those people some more, some more videos. So I, I think you're I think I've heard you say this as well, but whenever you write a song or record a song, you see a visual, there's, there's like a movie or a video or something that goes with that song automatically for me. And I just, um, I could have a video for every song I've ever sung. Not just record, just song, because I just, I see things. I am a visual person. And so I, um, teamed up with Jordan. Maddie, he's my my favorite go to for videography. And he did the blowing in the wind video. And again, he just he just knows. He just knows what I like. And, um, I love what he does. So great partnership there. And, uh, you know, I came to him with all these concepts and ideas for the videos for for Sunshine Baby and and he was he he's just like, okay, let's figure out how to put these together. We'll take your ideas and make it happen. And he did. And yeah, we've we've gained so many more, uh, you know, those those subscribers or those viewers are now, you know, discovering my original music, not just the Bob Dylan covers that we've recorded, but also my, uh, my stuff.
Christina: [00:47:44] Right.
Jessica: [00:47:45] My original. Yeah. So we've gained gained that way.
Christina: [00:47:49] I love those videos. Like for any of my listeners, go and spend some time. Just have fun kickbacks like, like spend a night instead of watching your favorite series. Like just watch Jessica's music videos. They are. And, um, they're really beautiful. The songs are great, the visuals are great, and yeah, you got a really good thing going on. So, you know, if it ain't broke, like, just keep rolling with with that. But, um, and certainly, um, when it comes to monetizing your YouTube channel, that video made it possible. Would you say to.
Jessica: [00:48:24] It did, because. I quickly learned, well, people were like, oh my gosh, you must be making a lot of money off of that. I have no freaking idea. I have no, I had no clue, really. Youtube was just a platform to put some videos on. Yeah. And I really didn't know the back end. And you know how, how to how to how to do all that monetizing and stuff. So it ended up that you couldn't monetize until you had so many subscribers. And I think the number has changed since. I think it keeps changing. It seems like all socials change their rules and guidelines. But yeah, at the time that that, um, blowning in the wind was blowing up.
Christina: [00:49:03] Yeah.
Jessica: [00:49:04] You had to have so many subscribers and and it did fall under that. So yeah, I was able to monetize that video. Now I'm not making millions of dollars off it. It's Bob Dylan's song. So he's making.
Christina: [00:49:16] He's making some good coin. Yeah, yeah.
Jessica: [00:49:19] But for me, it was more like, okay, I've got this audience and now it's, you know, they're looking at all of my videos now, not just that one single video. So it's it's across the board. Yeah. Everything I can now monetize. I hope that makes sense.
Christina: [00:49:34] It does make it does make sense. And I think I think right now and again you said this is this probably will change. But it used to be subscribers. And now you have to have a minimum of subscribed subscribers and hours viewed or like some kind of I don't know what they're stories or something viewed one or the other. Um, and it's like currently 3000 hours.
Jessica: [00:49:58] Oh, so you know more than I do.
Christina: [00:50:00] Oh, because I check. Because I'm just waiting for that day I can hit. Yeah. You know. I can, like, earn money. Um, I haven't reached that on mine.
Christina: [00:50:08] Um, you, you're a designer. A graphic designer, and then you're also a career musician. You're also a mom. You're many things. And, um. But do you really feel that, uh, have you come to. Are you at this point in your life where you're like, you know what, these fuel each other, they support each other. This works for me. Um, or do you sometimes go, God, I wish I could just do this. Like what? Where are you at with that in your life?
Jessica: [00:50:35] Yeah, I think I, I think I pull from all those, um. Yeah. And again, just, you know, having, having such a supportive partner to help balance all that. I think it would be different if I was a single mom. I think I would really have to let my music, um, take a back seat and, you know, family comes first, but, um, I, I'm very fortunate that I can I can grab from all those. I can take off a hat and put on a different hat. And, you know, I'm kind of jumping around and they all do feed each other. I know after having children, I wrote my writing, I think got better. I had, you know, inspiration. Um, but I think and that's not just, you know, have kids so you can write better songs. I think any, any pivotal, any major change. But, you know, that was a very life changing moment for me. And I think inspiration just, you know, I drew from that being a mom and watching these little babies that you don't realize you can love so much turn into songs. So, you know, all my songs before that were a love for Mark, right.
Christina: [00:51:47] You gross.
Jessica: [00:51:50] Well, not all of them, but most of the love songs I do write about. Like Sandy, Sandy always jokes and says that he's he has sung a lot of, uh, a lot of love songs.
Christina: [00:51:59] For Mark. I love that. Oh my God, I'm gonna listen back to the to the old catalog now and just, uh, visualize, I guess, I don't know. Yeah.
Jessica: [00:52:10] Yeah, a lot of those are.
Christina: [00:52:11] That's really sweet. That's really sweet. Because I wondered if they were about all these affairs that you had and. Yeah.
Jessica: [00:52:16] No, I really haven't had any. Oh, I'm sure you do it to Christina, but I really, um, I become a character, and I just write from that character. It's not. Not all my songs are are my life experiences. And I want people to know that, like, it's it's it serves. There's characters that I might have read about in a book or, or somebody that I might be observing. And, you know, they give me inspiration to write about that particular, um, story. It's not they're not all, they're not all, but most of the love songs, those are genuinely about my love and experiences, with my love. But, um, yeah.
Christina: [00:52:58] We should, we should co-write a song about, um, like, about a serial killer that's like, from their their point of view.
Jessica: [00:53:08] I might have one on the go. Good.
Christina: [00:53:10] Oh, good. I'm. Hey, I'm all for. Just bring it you. Now you have more way more experience in co-writing than I do. I mean, I have some, but it's not something I've sought out. But you, you've had quite a few successes in that, and I admire that. And I would love to try writing a song with you sometime.
Jessica: [00:53:28] Yeah, I know we've talked about that. We really do have to do that.
Christina: [00:53:31] Okay.
Jessica: [00:53:32] Maybe, maybe the next time we come down, I'll.
Christina: [00:53:35] Do we. Should we lock ourselves in a room? Do we have. We should do.
Jessica: [00:53:40] Oh, it doesn't matter.
Christina: [00:53:41] We lock. Ourselves. We have to lock.Yeah, like I. Yeah, I get distracted. So if, if we don't lock. You know, if there's no lock on the door, then I might try and get out and do laundry.
Jessica: [00:53:52] Okay.
Christina: [00:53:53] So, um. Okay. So.
Jessica: [00:53:59] Where were we?
Christina: [00:54:00] Right. What were we, uh, just thinking of distractions. God. Oh, my God.
Jessica: [00:54:06] I do enjoy co-writing, though. I feel. I feel sometimes I've. I've done so many co-writes that now when I go to write a song for my by myself, I'm like, I don't know if I can do it now. I don't know if I can do this song by myself, because I kind of get dependent on other lyricists to help me. And, uh, and I actually I did a songwriting challenge the other day, a couple of weeks ago, actually, and it was for, um, we were given a theme and you couldn't co-write with anybody, and I wasn't going to do it. And then I thought, no, I'm going to do this. I am totally going to do this. And I was so mad at myself. And, you know, I just went through all the. Oh my gosh.I was so mad. And then I'd be like, okay, I've got something. And then I'd be like. Oh, I can't get this. I went through so many emotions.
Christina: [00:54:54] Geez,
Jessica: [00:54:54] I got there. No, I got there. I find when I write a song I go a little insane, I go a little crazy. I can't get the song out of my head, and it does not leave me until it's complete, until it's out of me. It's almost like a demon that needs to be.
Christina: [00:55:12] Wow. Have you tried therapy?
Jessica: [00:55:15] No, but maybe I should.
Christina: [00:55:16] I mean, I guess it sounds like songwriting might be your therapy, but, like, there's something, uh. That's because you might be able to write a song, Jessica, without torturing yourself.
Jessica: [00:55:26] I know, but it is. It is a little torturous for me. It's painful. It's painful. That's the word. It's painful. But it's so satisfying, right? It is. Sure. Like, uh, at the end. At the end, you've got this, this thing now that you can share with people. But it's getting out of me that really I go insane, I really do. That's smart.
Christina: [00:55:46] I really now having second thoughts, I'm having second thoughts about co-writing with you. But, um, I guess.
Jessica: [00:55:52] I'm a really good co-writer, though. Okay, okay.
Christina: [00:55:55] It's just when you're by yourself, you go all.
Jessica: [00:55:58] You might have to tie me down. I might levitate or something.
Christina: [00:56:01] So. So Dale is going to. I'm going to tie you down. Dale is going to lock the door so I don't get out to me. The, uh, you know, co-writing sort of scares me, even though I've done it and mostly with close friends. Um, yeah. And it's never been an issue. But, like, I like the idea of, like, you know what? Let's just go into it. And if, like, if, like anything in life, like, just try and if it doesn't work out, it doesn't mean you could never try again or write anything. I sort of always like to give people out, like, hey, it might suck, but at least we will have a written a song that.
Jessica: [00:56:33] I have yet to go into a co-writing session. Like starting a song from scratch. It's always a song that I've started, and a lot of the times I need a song doctor kind of to come in.
Christina: [00:56:45] And uh, yeah.
Jessica: [00:56:46] Almost like an editor would for a book and just like tweak, tweak lyrics and I have melodies galore in my head all the time. It's the lyrics that, um, that don't come to me as clearly.
Christina: [00:57:03] That could be a good for us for sure, because, um, you know, I mean, I yes, I mean.
Jessica: [00:57:10] You write a lot, you keep journals and I, you know what? I should do that more now is, is actually journal.
Christina: [00:57:15] Whatever you're doing is working just fine. Uh, but you know what I mean. We tell ourselves, I mean, I do it all the time, like, oh, I should be, I should be, but, like, at the same time, someone once says, like, wait a second. It's not like you're not doing anything or like, look at the last couple of years, what you've, you know, you're not somehow you're making it work. So quit shitting on yourself. But but I do love, I do love, um, I don't have a lot of time because I do too much of the other things that I, uh, you know, but I when it's time to write, when it's writing season. God, I love it. I just, I mean, I always feel like a beginner and like, I know nothing, and I don't even know how to speak English. Yeah, but, uh, it's it's fun. It's it's fun to write and and learn new words and learn how to say old words properly, and.
Jessica: [00:58:03] Uh, yeah, it. Is, it's it's very satisfying. It is very satisfying.
Christina: [00:58:07] Jessica. Jessica. Jessica. Jessica. Let's get serious now. I look at me. Just look at me, Jessica. But I wrote it down because I oftentimes I get nervous, and I, I don't say all the things I want to say. So I wrote this.
Jessica: [00:58:25] Okay.
Christina: [00:58:25] Okay. So ready.
Jessica: [00:58:26] Okay. What is it?
Christina: [00:58:28] Says first of all, it says goodbye. Uh, no. There's more, there's more. You are. Really. It says you are really a stellar human. You you are so kind, generous, fun. And you've got one of the best. And I think unique voices on our scene here in Canada. World class songwriter. You are a visionary. And. And you manifest your visions, I think. You're a great mother and friend. Congrats on everything and I wish you continued positive energy and success. I did it.
Jessica: [00:59:07] Oh thank you, thank you. Now I'm gonna cry again.
Christina: [00:59:10] Yay! We love tears on a chat with heart podcast.
Jessica: [00:59:14] Oh, thank you so much.Right back at you. Right back.
Song 'I Don't Want to say Goodbye to You': [00:59:28] I don't want to say goodbye to you. I don't want to say goodbye to you.
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